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Batman '89 Shadows Chapter 5 'Robin and Batman: The Man Wonder.'  Retrospective

1/11/2025

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Dave Scrimgeour and Kevin McCluskey
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​Writer- Sam Hamm
Artist- Joe Quinones
Colourist- Leonardo Ito
Letterer- Clayton Cowles
​Editor- Andrew Marino
Senior Editor- Katie Kubert


Published by DC Comics 12/04/2022


Synopsis

Harvey Dent presses on with terrorising Gotham City as his new alter ego, Two Face.  Jim and Barbara Gordon's relationship continues to strain under the weight of their familial history.  Bruce Wayne and Drake Winston's bond starts to take shape as Batman and Robin.  They are all bound on an inevitable collision course however, and it is not long before there are casualties.

Dave
The cover for this issue is superb, straight from 92's ‘Returns.’  The apt, ‘Hell Here,’ sets-up this issue's story.  Joe Quinones has really captured the sultry look that Pfeiffer exuded with Catwoman, and the colouring by Leonardo Ito, with the neon lights in the background, is great too.  It’s a very eye-catching cover.  Like you said previously, these images stand alone when you look at them.


Kev
Yeh, I absolutely love this one.  I’m a big fan of the “Hell Here” from ‘Returns’ as well, and Quinones’s Catwoman looks like Pfeiffer has leapt straight off the silver screen.  The expression on the cat’s face in the right of the foreground is really funny too.  It looks so shocked.


Dave
I was actually thinking, while reading the first page where Two-Face is doing his interrogation, how much of a Christopher Nolan feel there is to this story.  It's becoming very grounded and moving away from the more timeless, gothic mood, depicted in Burton’s films.  Whereas Burton’s films were big on visual aesthetics, Nolan’s focused as much on the dialogue and interactions between the characters, and maybe that is why I’m getting such a Nolan feel here.


Kev
That's a really good point actually, yeh.  I hadn't noticed it at all until you pointed it out, and then the penny finally dropped.  Which is a fitting turn of phrase for this story.


Dave
And a good pun also.  Even though Two-Face doesn't drop the coin.


Kev
Ha, ha!  Another good point.  Yeh, it ALMOST works.  Not quite though.


Dave
The dialogue is excellently written, with amazing observations of society (and it could be a dig at today’s society).  "There's a subculture of sociopathic punks who like to dress up and raise hell"  "Nihilists.  Anarchists.  Performance artists.  Good for distractions and not much else.”


Kev
Definitely.  Yeh, it’s amusing that the “performance artists” have found kindred spirits in the “nihilists” and the “anarchists.”  I’ve always thought that there was something off about performance artists.  I reckon you’ve to already be a bit mad to do that as a creative outlet, never mind make it a career choice.  Ha, ha!  Harvey has gone full Two Face here.  He’s beating up, whilst trying to recruit hoods as his, goons, and his wardrobe has taken on its final form.  That suit is a thing of beauty.  I like that Hamm is tying it back to the armoured car robbery from the beginning of this story.  That’s satisfyingly neat.


Dave
Two-Face is using these people of the underworld for his own means, and he understands how their hierarchy works.  Or should I say Sam Hamm has a great understanding of this.


Kev
Ha, ha!  Yeh, I also like that Harvey has recruited Lawrence from The Joker’s goon squad from ‘Batman.’  Lawrence who also shows-up in the John Jackson Miller novel ‘Batman: Resurrection.’  Which is set in the same timeline as this series, apparently, albeit before the events of this story.  And also pretty damn good.
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Lawrence; henchman to the stars.

Dave
Hamm is really pulling out all his skills in terms of writing and, of course, the artwork is equally on form.


Kev
I agree.  This is definitely a creative team firing on all cylinders here.  Their chemistry is fantastic.


Dave
I never noticed that Lawrence from ‘89 was in this.  That’s a good spot, and a nice throwback to the movie.


Kev
He doesn't seem to have his boombox here though.  Maybe it was broken in one of the Gotham City riots.



Dave
Maybe he has got a CD player now, it’s been a few years since '89.


Kev
Good point.  Maybe he's going up in the world.  


Dave
The Dent suit is superb.  Really in keeping with the tone of the story, which makes him stand out.  It's not too over the top, but enough to work.



Kev
Yeh, I love it.


Dave
"...who's your tailor?" is a great panel, with the cherry red background, and a manic, laughing, Two-Face with his face shadowed out.


Kev
Yeh, you're right about that last panel, it’s cracking.  It's so graphic.  The guy being arrested by the police officer for boosting the six pack looks like one of The Mutants from ‘The Dark Knight Returns,’ which is a nice touch.  Another nice “Easter egg,” if you will.


Dave
I like his glasses though, they’re kind-of like Geordi Laforge's from 'Star Trek: The Next Generation.'  And it looks like he's smiling at us, the reader, also.


Kev
Right enough.  Creepy bastard.  I like that Barbara acknowledges that half of Harvey’s face “.....is probably a mass of…secondary infections” by this point.  That’s another lovely touch by Hamm.  I also like that she threatens her dad with the ghost of her dead mother if he dares light up his pipe in her apartment, and that Jim now keeps his pipe purely as a “security blanket.”  This is all excellent stuff by Hamm.  This is a better, multi-dimensional, version of Gordon than in the films.  He has a bit of depth to him as a character, as opposed to being the rather one note, bumbling Commissioner from the movies.


Dave
Oh yeah, we are getting a far more layered character from Gordon or, in fact, any of the characters than were presented in the Burton movies, and the beauty of writing these issues is it gives Sam Hamm a chance to explore these characters more in depth.  We see a more cracked and vulnerable side to Jim Gordon, rather than the almost Santa Claus-esque figure that Pat Hingle brought to life so well when he played the part.  Plus, Gordon was married in 'Batman' when Knox is at the roulette table at Bruce Wayne's mansion.  That's a great panel of Barbara tearing up as Jim speaks to her and she has her back to him, desperately trying to not show her feelings.  Great writing, and visual storytelling also.


Kev
Ah, good point.  Barbara Snr. has obviously passed in the meantime.  Good catch, Sir.  Yep, I'm enjoying the complexities of their father/daughter relationship.


Dave
This issue is weighted with dialogue, yet it's fundamental to what's going on in the story.  Also, I’d just like to bring attention to the panel as Jim is in Barbara's home and he is looking out the window.  It is another standout panel, both colour wise and in terms the details in it.
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"Maybe then you might know what it's like."

Kev
It's also a very similar window to the one that was in Carl Grissom's office in 'Batman.'  Again, another fantastic attention to detail.  The use of the architecture of Anton Furst's Gotham is making this feel like a part of that world that we’ve already established.


​Dave
They are still keeping those little details in, which shows how much they care for the material.


Kev
I agree.  This definitely feels like a labour of love for all involved.  And I love that Barbara has a heavy bag in her apartment.


Dave
Come to think of it, the creepy dude who was being taken off in cuffs reminds me of the same creepy dude in ‘Escape from New York’ who gives Lee Van Cleef a 30 second ultimatum to leave the island.


Kev
Ha, ha!  Right enough.  There are a lot of members in this gang in Gotham, that's for sure.


Dave
The next page, of the high speed pursuit, just ramps up the pacing, and I love the panel layout too.


Kev
It's brilliant, isn't it?  It really sells you on the the 165mph speed of the Batmobile.  The composition of that page, with the Dutch angle panels is fantastic.  Absolute nightmare to take panel grabs from to put on here though.  Just does not work.


Dave
And Robin's getting his first Batmobile driving lesson, Batman style.


Kev
Yeh, Quinones and Ito’s renditions of the Anton Furst Batmobile have been stellar in this, but none more so than the one here at the top of page 5.


Dave
Plus, the colours are superb.  They’re bright, and so visceral.  This issue is excelling again.


Kev
No "L" plates though.  Flouting the law.  Bloody vigilantes!


Dave
It's a striking looking Batmobile.  Still the best I have seen out of all the films.  And, to be fair, the Nolan trilogy are my favourite Batman films, but none have matched Burton's Batmobile.


Kev
It's still my favourite too.  I don't mind the Tumbler, but it's not as aesthetically pleasing as the ‘89 Batmobile.


Dave
Batman is getting up to speed with ‘90’s digital technology and generating holograms.  Nice touch.  Even the dialogue between Batman and Robin is consistent.  They really are working together as a unit, and it's not the conventional father figure/son cliche relationship, it's them just working together as a crime fighting partnership.
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Wayans.

​Kev
This feels like much more of an equal partnership, doesn't it?


Dave
And it's still maintaining a grounded quality to this world of Batman.   The likeness for Keaton’s Batman on page 6 is great as well.  A lot of attention has been put in to give us this resemblance.


Kev
Absolutely.  And Quinones and Ito’s Two Face is fantastic as well.  I mean, look at that rendition on the bottom panel of page 7.  Outstanding stuff.


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Dave
Yeah, suddenly the story has shifted to ‘The Taking of Pelham 123’  That is a brilliant panel of Two Face looking up.
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"Look up." Sorry, sorry, sorry. Wrong DC franchise.

Kev
Man, now all I have is the theme from that film stuck in my head.  Cracking tune.  I also like that Gotham is plagued with conspiracy theories regarding Dent.  That feels like exactly the sort of thing that would happen these days, in our Trumpian, post-truth, post-COVID world.


Dave

The conspiracy theories are a good touch.  In a world gone mad, the conspiracy theorists would be out in full force, plaguing police hotlines just for someone to listen to them.  


Kev
Yep.  I mean, I love a good conspiracy theory (the key word there being “good”), but I still get my vaccines and think the Earth is round though.  


Dave
Two-Face is really coming into his own as a villain here, and showing how much of a force to be reckoned with he is.


Kev
Smart too.


Dave
"I'll be in the evidence room."  That’s a nice little way to lead into the next scene.


Kev
Yeh.  And now we have some Ice Cube lyrics.  This time from the NWA classic 'Fuck Tha Police.'  This has been a goldmine for an aging hip-hop head like myself.


Dave
And that’s another ‘89 movie touch on the bottom of the page, with the Batmobile heading back to Wayne Manor.  It’s very reminiscent of when Batman drove Vicki back after rescuing her in the movie.  I love the colours and details in that panel.  It is another stand alone panel.  Also, I do like how there is a bit of bickering between Bruce and Winston, the battle of who is top dog still underlying between them.


Kev
Yep, you’ve got to drive through that woodland on the outskirts of Gotham before you get out to Wayne Manor, and you're right, the composition of the panels of Batman and Drake in the Batmobile are exactly like the composition of the shots of Batman and Vicki Vale in the Batmobile from the '89 movie.


Dave

And that’s another classic Keaton pout in that panel.


Kev

Definitely.  You’ve got to love that Keaton Batpout.


Dave
Haha!  Nice one!  "Batpout."  Nananananana, Batpout!!!!


Kev
Ha, ha!


Dave
We’ve maybe found a caption for that panel.


Kev
Ha, ha!  I think so, yeh.
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Nanananananananana.....Batpout!

​Dave
No sign of the cat in the Batcave.  Alfred must be getting a bit of peace.  That's also good likeness to Michael Gough in the panel with Alfred.  Oh, and Harvey Dent is getting his goons to dress like him now.


Kev
Ha, ha!  Yeh.  It speaks to his vanity and narcissism, that he'd have his employees wear a uniform that makes them look just like him.


Dave
True.  It must be part of the employment terms when you start working for a villain that the dress code is mandatory.


Kev
Ha, ha!  The company dress policy.  Drake/Robin being referred to as an “intern” is amusing.


Dave
Yeah, that's a nice little touch there, the sarcastic wit of Bruce.  Very dry.  That's a pretty good panel of Batman and Gordon taking the quick route down.  We even get a reveal of Jim's age here.  


Kev
Exactly.  Who says that Batman is humourless?  Oh, and we’re getting depressingly close to the age of the “old fart” Jim Gordon.


Dave
Unfortunately we are on route to it.  Drake is still going in feet first.  He is certainly an act first, think later character.  Maybe that's the intentional dynamic, Bruce is now more experienced and is making fewer mistakes, and Drake is still headstrong, and needs to learn to control his impulses, so the contrast in how they operate is there to be explored.


Kev
Yeh, but it’s almost comedically slapstick how Batman’s gadgets end-up being both his and Jim Gordon’s undoing in this scene.  This Batman is almost as incompetent as the one early on in ‘Year One.’  “I was aiming at Dent, but I hit Gordon.”  Ha, ha!


Dave
True, Batman is still cocking up at times.  It’s the same in ‘Batman Returns,’ where he loses his Batarang to a poodle.  Those two panels on the bottom of that page of Two-Face and Batman squaring off are excellent, dynamic telling the story.  We see them close up and directly in front of us the reader.


Kev
Ha, ha!  Yeh, right enough.  Perhaps not Bruce’s finest moment.  And, of course, a plot point here as well.  The pacing in this issue has been breakneck.  Almost a bit too breakneck for me, as I’ve found it a bit jarring a couple of times when it’s transitioned between scenes.  For example, there’s a lot crammed into page 14.  There are four different scene transitions in that one page alone.


Dave
It has been very fast at times, but I'm enjoying it revving up and firing on all cylinders.  Although, somehow I thought that this might happen, just with the story slowing down previously.  It has been very dialogue focused also and, coming back to the point I made about the Nolan version, the constant dialogue is keeping the story very grounded with little touches/easter eggs thrown in from the ‘89 and ‘92 movies but, you're right, it is going a little too fast at times.  Also, when Batman comes out with an injured Bullock, the velocity with which Drake tears through those cops on the bike is in keeping with the speedy pacing of this story.  I love the colours on that panel.
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The moment before the tribute to the iconic "Akira slide."

​Kev
Yeh, that is a cracking panel, you're right.


Dave
There's a lot going on page 14, with modern storytelling applied here, as there is more of a sense of urgency, than simply allowing the story to unfold.


Kev
Yeh, the pace of that cutting is definitely a post-1980's, maybe even post-1990's technique.  Harvey has become like a modern day Robin Hood for Burnside.  Kind-of the way Drake was back in chapter one.


Dave
It's funny how Harvey gets rattled by Gordon knocking over a bottle of wine.  The bottom panel of that page is very interesting, through the fragments of Harvey's face.


Kev
Yeh, that panel, at the bottom of page 15, is exquisite.
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'Change Of The Century.'

​Dave
There have been so many interactions in this issue comprising of lengthy conversations.


Kev
There is a fair amount of dialogue for a story that has such a swift pace, that's for sure.  And so we find out that the Cat is keeping tabs on the Bat.  I like how Selina is dressed for her old office job, with the business attire suit on, but is also wearing her Catwoman mask.  And I absolutely love that she has her “Executive Assistant” sign at her desk.  She is not a secretary anymore.  It’s an important distinction to her, and another lovely little touch by the creative team here.  Yeh, you can definitely tell there was a lot of love and affection that went into crafting this series.


Dave
The Selina in the mask touch is great.  It shows how she has really embodied the Catwoman persona now, and mixed it into her daily life, so to speak.  They are going for the more grounded approach here, and once again, I have to comment on the richness of colours in the panels on that page, they are superb.  Then it shifts to Batman and Drake on a stakeout.  Some good acting by Barbara, as she plays the part to try and get the arrest on Two-Face.


Kev
Definitely.  Smart play by Barbara to pull the sting on Harvey, and using the intimacy of her relationship with him to get close enough to him, and get him to drop his guard enough, so she can arrest him.  She’s her father’s daughter, alright.


Dave
And the next page, with the coin flip, and how we get the narrative of Batman and Drake with all the reflections in the coin is a brilliant touch.  Top marks for the creativity in the storytelling.
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​Kev
Yeh, that use of the slim, vertical panel, which kicks off page 18, is just fantastically well composed and executed.  Yep, this is some stunning comicing, for sure.  Maybe a slightly unnecessary, overly sexualised image of Catwoman on panel 4 of page 19 though.


Dave
The story is unfolding at breakneck speed, with Catwoman suddenly gate crashing events.  I'm pretty sure Drake will be taken aback a bit.


Kev
True.  Young man like that.  All those raging hormones.  Selina Kyle's BBL.  'Nuff said.


Dave
Drake is getting the horn.  "Betrayed.  She betrayed us- -"  Again, the split psyche of Harvey, as we saw in earlier issues, and how he has this inner conflict of personalities is on full display now.  And another excellent bit of writing on the last page, "Tragedy doesn't change you, Harvey.  It reveals you."  That's very deep and incredibly insightful.


Kev
Agreed.  That's some perceptive stuff there by Gordon.  Food for thought at least, if not words to live by.  And it's now "us."  Those personalities seem to be having a constant dialogue within that one, shared, mind, of Harvey Dent/Two Face.


Dave
The humanity is not lost inside Harvey, just getting more and more stifled and kept down by the crazy persona.


Kev
Yeh, Harvey may not be completely gone, but Two Face more and more is definitely becoming the dominant personality.


Dave
​And the issue ends with a nice Batman pose.  Good use of the shadows, once again.  Even height wise, this Batman is not physically overpowering looking.


Kev
No, they've definitely adhered to Michael Keaton's stature for Batman's portrayal in this.


Dave
This issue feels to be like a giant set piece from a film, with all those other story arcs going on in between, but because it ran at breakneck speed, it still felt like part of a whole.  And I know I have referenced Nolan's Batman a lot, but this issue gave me more of a Nolan feel to it.  Perhaps that was influencing Hamm and Quinones, with the dialogue interactions and lengthy conversations pulling along the plot.  I can't fault this issue for the writing, artwork and colouring, it has been well and truly on form, and it has continually stood out.


Kev
Yeh, again, I feel this issue wraps-up a little too quickly (but then again, I always seem to say that, so perhaps that's more on me than the comic itself), and the last page feels a bit crammed and rushed as a result, but there’s still some cracking character work between Dent and Gordon, especially Dent shooting Gordon, and it being revealed that this was exactly what Gordon wanted all along.  Also, Harvey being on his own, as his relationship with himselves, and his coin, all begin to unravel, sets-up the series finale very nicely.  Particularly as they throw in The Bat himself into the last panel of the issue.  It’s show(down)time.


Dave
It certainly sets-up the finale very well.  I will be very interested to see how the last issue plays out.


Kev
Definitely.  Despite, as you said earlier, a bit of a dip in the pace in the previous issue, this series has flown by.  The overall pace really has been breakneck.  I can't believe we're at the finale already.


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